the IDIOT

well, i’ve had it with morons bleating “Broken Window Fallacy”, in error, every lone indicator they sniff. this post will be updated with whatever fun bullshit’s written to me in the comments of this vid from here.

as with much argument, asserting BWF w/o foundation is simply cowardly straw man for the sole purpose of making your opponent look stupider than his argument alone. what appeals so strongly to “BWF!” bleaters is precisely how obviously stupid the fallacy is. however, it’s so stupid that even most stupid masochists of the state don’t assert it outside of their holy war fixation. the BWF-bleaters want the associated absurdity tainting their opponents without the opponents meeting all the criteria of BWF, the most outrageous of which being acclaim for and defense of a destruction layer before the layers dealt with as a complete package elsewhere in bastiat’s book.

my initial comment on the vid:

2ndAsstJizzMopper

as usual, later sections of TWISATWINS are falsely ascribed to the first of its stories (BW), inflating a damned rare fallacy into supposed widespread use outside of WWII and similar chest-pounding hoowah. nearly a third of this video is contextually wrong, for the first element of BWF is wanton destruction preceding the wealth transfer.

the standard fixation with BWF, evinced here, contributes nothing to understanding economics, except as it leads newbies to the source being distorted.

stupid fuck doing the usual, assuming that criticism of a supposed liberty advocate’s bullshit argument is criticism of liberty:

Soonerliberty

@2ndAsstJizzMopper Rare fallacy? Diverting money that could have been spent on other goods and services, thus destroying unseen jobs, is not a rare fallacy. It is very widespread. Taxes, subsidies, stimulus programs, and wars all precede the unseen wealth transfer. Of course, you could yell loudly that something is wrong or “contextually” wrong, but you might want to demonstrate how.

my reply:

2ndAsstJizzMopper

Soonerliberty, consider reading thoroughly before commenting. mere “[d]iverting money that could have been spent on other goods and services, thus destroying unseen jobs” alone is not BWF, nor is merely noting a silver lining of a natural disaster or similar destroyer.

analysis of BWF from “austrian” economists is often embarrassingly shallow, throwing praxeology to the wind in favor of squawking “BWF! BWF!” at anything with an element remotely resembling something in bastiat’s story. shameful.

dumbass:

Soonerliberty

@2ndAsstJizzMopper It is wealth destruction, no matter how you cut it. You don’t need to break something to get the same effect. And how many times was I told during indoctrination that war is a good way to end economic depressions? I was under the impression that mainstream economists are shallow and have massive conflicts of interest, trading legit economic analysis for government funding. How can we expect an honest analysis from those who are beholden to the state and who seek influence?

Soonerliberty

@2ndAsstJizzMopper Besides, complex doesn’t mean correct. See Occam’s Razor.

ha! most of the time, as here, someone invokes “occam’s razor”, it’s a vomiting sheep doing it. inconsiderate yappers are pollution. no explaining anything to the transmit-only fixated crew.

2ndAsstJizzMopper

Soonerliberty, read my first comment, not ignoring the bits that bore you. you’re lost. occam’s razor? please.

Soonerliberty

@2ndAsstJizzMopper Still wrong. You’re confusing destruction that we see with that which we don’t see, unless you claim we can only use this analogy in one specific case, which is absurd. Your problem is that you assume taxes, etc., are not destruction. Smugness never helped an argument, and attacks show that you view Austrians as a threat. I see we’re making progress. Besides, Austrians go further, showing that taxation, subsidies, stimuli, etc. provide a net loss to society.

something, isn’t it, that nearly all the ron paul and LRC/LvMI droids figure that if you criticize them on anything, you’re behind them, not ahead, and antithetic to all their avowed goals?

2ndAsstJizzMopper

ugh. you’re cautioned to read something you’re missing, then you immediately go back to keyboard clacking. here ya go: “[...] the first element of BWF is wanton destruction preceding the wealth transfer.”

not going to explain it again, nor define “preceding” or “wealth transfer” or quote marks for you, “Austrian”. laughing.

peripherally, you have missed the boat by 180 degrees with your ludicrous unfounded presumption that i think “taxes” are not destruction. slow down and read.

Soonerliberty

@2ndAsstJizzMopper “Wanton destruction” is taxation, subsidies, stimuli, inflation, anything that makes someone give up wealth to the government instead of spending it on something they would have otherwise or invested in otherwise. There is nothing in the example that says you have to actually destroy something first. That’s absurd and not even true to Bastiat’s attempt, which was aimed at the French government. Before you throw around insults, at least understand the context.

2ndAsstJizzMopper

and — shocker — not slow enough. almost pathetic that in reply to “ludicrous unfounded presumption that i think ‘taxes’ are not destruction”, you apparently explain to me, via fallacy of affirming the consequent, that taxation is destruction. wow.

huge hint: all of the video is covered in TWISATWINS. all of the video is not covered in TBW.

what rough third of the video am i referring to as contextually wrong? if you haven’t yet answered that for yourself, what’s the point?

it matters.

["all of the video is not covered in TBW." is incorrect, and should have been, "not all of the video is covered in TBW."]

Soonerliberty

@2ndAsstJizzMopper Sure, default insults when you are threatened. Insults are the first sign of intellectual defeat, so I take it as a compliment. Taxation precedes the unseen expenditures, just like breaking the window does. How is that hard to understand? Should I explain it to you in another language: German, Spanish, or Russian? It is always the same with statists. They assume everyone is ignorant while reveling in their supposed intellectual superiority and their beloved Volkskoerper.

Soonerliberty

@2ndAsstJizzMopper I assume it’s a sisyphean fallacy to assume I can engage in intellectual debate with one of your mindset. Why would you come here to argue if you don’t have an open mind? You probably took one philosophy class, macroeconomics class, and read the Huff Post, and now you feel empowered to do battle with the plebeians, but, of course, on our behalf. “The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design.”

2ndAsstJizzMopper

populist dreck fallacy (“you insult me; i ‘win’”), then apparently you call me a statist (ha!), while still missing entirely my accurate assessment of this vid’s error. overt nonsense: “Taxation precedes the unseen expenditures, just like breaking the window does.”

the most charitable edit of that disaster would be, “Taxation precedes the unseen _unseen_ expenditures, just like breaking the window and paying for it does.”

and back to: lost, doubling down on comment blocks, psycho projecting.

not a chance in hell he’d have parsed that one, but WTF.

Soonerliberty

@2ndAsstJizzMopper Robber takes money from victim and spends it on something. Stimulus!!! Victim is deprived of money he could’ve spent on other things. Nope, not the same. I’ll just repeat and rinse. Not the same. Having money expropriated is not the same, b/c, wait for it, plebeian, there is no window!!!

Insults after insults. Nice, keep ‘em coming. In the words of Borat, “I like . . .”

one might hope that even someone as recalcitrantly oblivious as Soonerliberty would note that he’s insulted me repeatedly while bitching about insult, throwing the usual towel of projection poser desperation pleading for mercy at the kill.

Tags: broken window, fallacy, frédéric bastiat, LvMI, russia, straw man

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